View Full Version : Getting all the files (answer)
People keep asking how to get the various files that are needed to compile the dll. And then asking how to compile.
Well, here's a little script that I wrote that'll go and grab all the files that you need and set them up for you. It works just fine on my machine, but I won't make any promises about other machines.
This script is LINUX ONLY.
(yes, I know this is a .zip, but that's only because this board won't let me post a .gz).
Anyway, once you use this script, you will have stickytags on your copies of all of the admin_muck files. That will prevent you from accidentally upgrading any files to something that's broken. If you actually want to upgrade them, then you'll have to use the -A flag on cvs in order to override the stickytags.
Here's the new version of the script. This should give you a DLL that's the same as 2.50c.
THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!
I just wasted a few hours trying to do it all myself, Getting the halflife SDK in .EXE format, copying it to my windows box, extracting it, copying it back to my linux box, converting all the textfiles to LF format, getting metamod, renaming the directories so it made the Makefiles happy, and STILL I got errors about "NEW_DLL_FUNCTIONS" not being declared.
So I was about to post a question what I'm doing wrong, then I got your script (man, you check for everything, that's hilarious some of the error messages you put in), and it fixed all my problems. Now I dont have to wait weeks for the next adminmod release, yay!
Huh? Those errors usually stem from using the wrong SDK version. How would a CVS checkout script change that? Now you made me take a look.
OMG, sinster, talk about newbie helping. That somehow caricatures the other thread about it not being so easy to get rid of the messages in godmode() and noclip(). I like the Makefile changing bit. You dearly need a revision tag in admin_muck don't you? ;) Shall I ask someone competent to put one in? :)
Hmmmm, this is sounding interesting.... I might even....
/me starts to build a Linux machine....
:)
Oh great, Greg. _Now_ your building a Linux machine. Where was that machine three weeks ago? ;)
Originally posted by Da Rope
Oh great, Greg. _Now_ your building a Linux machine. Where was that machine three weeks ago? ;)
Oh, I built it, nuked it and installed XP, now I will make another one. :) I never had a chance to mess with that machine during dev because the doco was pretty time consuming...
Originally posted by kilorat
So I was about to post a question what I'm doing wrong, then I got your script (man, you check for everything, that's hilarious some of the error messages you put in), and it fixed all my problems.
Well, not really everything. Years ago a I wrote a bourne shell script that was intended to be portable. That means that the script had a preamble that figured out what version of bourne shell it was running under and tried to compensate for it. Bourne shell, Korn shell, Bourne again shell, SYSV bourne shell, SCO bourne shell, even restricted bourne shell. It handled all of those beasties. Once you got past the preamble the script was pretty simple, but that preamble was like 80% of the length of the script. Unfortunately, the script had to be absolutely bulletproof, so I didn't have much choice in the matter (it was an installer script for a commercial product that ran on all UNIX platforms).
Originally posted by Da Rope
Huh? Those errors usually stem from using the wrong SDK version. How would a CVS checkout script change that? Now you made me take a look.
Well, as you see the script is a wee bit more than a CVS checkout script. Also, I found that the official 2.1 SDK does not include the NEW_DLL_blahblah declarations in eiface.h and enginecallback.h that admin mod and metamod depend on. The only place I was ever able to find files with those declarations was in the admin_v2 CVS tree. That's why my script also does a checkout in that tree and copies those two header files into the 2.1 SDK that it also downloads. :)
I suspect that all the longtime adminmod developers are using copies of the 2.1 SDK that are contaminated with these two files, and have forgotten about them. Copying those files over (according to the checkin comments) was a standard part of building out of admin_v2.
You dearly need a revision tag in admin_muck don't you? ;) Shall I ask someone competent to put one in? :)
I must admit that were I to find tags in the cvs tree, it would likely cause the creation of an unnamed mess within an unspecified article of my clothing.
Yes, I would love to see a tag in there.
You gotta realize that one of my big Causes in professional life is the Reproduceability of Builds. I don't think revision control systems have much value when it comes to preventing one person from overwriting someone else's work. I think the main value they give is to ensure that any part of the development team can reliably reproduce any current or past release. So reliably that they can be certain that any bugs they encounter were also present in the original build.
The current adminmod CVS trees fall far short of that ideal. Until you checked in that final change to admin_muck, there was no combination of files in CVS that could produce the 2.50c release. So the absence of tags was a relatively minor irritation. And now we're in the situation that the only tree that contains a stable version of the code is the tree that was created for the purpose of housing unstable work. :( Kinda humorous in its irony when you think about it, but not very practical.
Originally posted by sinster
Well, as you see the script is a wee bit more than a CVS checkout script.
Yes, I noticed. :)
Also, I found that the official 2.1 SDK does not include the NEW_DLL_blahblah declarations in eiface.h and enginecallback.h that admin mod and metamod depend on. The only place I was ever able to find files with those declarations was in the admin_v2 CVS tree. That's why my script also does a checkout in that tree and copies those two header files into the 2.1 SDK that it also downloads. :)
Ah, yes that was the other thing I was wondering about. Apart from you expecting the user to have the SDK.zip. But that is clear since it is just a copy of a script for your personal use.
I suspect that all the longtime adminmod developers are using copies of the 2.1 SDK that are contaminated with these two files, and have forgotten about them. Copying those files over (according to the checkin comments) was a standard part of building out of admin_v2.
Uhm, no, AFAIK you suspect wrong. The secret is that it is very hard to get a copy of the real SDK version 2.1. There are numerous standardsdk.exe files floating around the web which claim to contain the 2.1 SDK but then they only install the 2.0 version. It is a real pain. Not only put they an SDK into an installer but they don't even give it a name reflecting which version it is. Once you get your hands on a real version 2.1 SDK (and fix some bugs in it) you don't get those errors anymore.
Yes, I would love to see a tag in there.
Okay, uhm, I guess I'll ask this darope character to get it done as soon as he finds the time. Though I don't think it will be 2.50c. I haven't tested it myself since 2.50 and I am not sure if really all changes made until 2.50c are in the CVS. Can you confirm that a build from the current CVS results in an operational server? With optimization turned on?
I don't think revision control systems have much value when it comes to preventing one person from overwriting someone else's work. I think the main value they give is to ensure that any part of the development team can reliably reproduce any current or past release.
Agreed.
The current adminmod CVS trees fall far short of that ideal.
What can I say, agreed again.
Until you checked in that final change to admin_muck, there was no combination of files in CVS that could produce the 2.50c release.
Truth be told, I can't guarantee that the current CVS produces the 2.50c release. (Apart from a few bugs beeing fixed since the 2.50c release)
And now we're in the situation that the only tree that contains a stable version of the code is the tree that was created for the purpose of housing unstable work.
Ah well, yes, that has other reasons I am reluctant to dicuss in public. Mail me if you need to know.
Speaking for myself I may add that I am always happy to hear a professional opinion. :)
Originally posted by Da Rope
Can you confirm that a build from the current CVS results in an operational server? With optimization turned on?
Ummm. No?
I still haven't upgraded my compiler, so if I turn on optimizations it'll crash. Hell, I'd probably get a segfault in hello world if I turned on optimizations at this point.
tmanchat2000
17-04-01, 06:23am
Can you make on for Windows pleas?
Nope. Sure can't. You see my script uses an important feature that's not available under Windows: reliability. Oh. Sorry. Am I being a bitch? Couldn't resist, really.
Actually, the problem is that I have no capability for doing any compiles under Windows. So how would I go about testing the results of my script under Windows? I can't. Since I can't test it, I'm certainly not going to release it.
Now, if some kind soul wants to grab my script and port it over to windows, they can go right ahead. They'll have 3 problems:
1) They have to find some way to do batch downloads under windows, to replace my lynx/wget downloads.
2) They have to find some place to get a windows 2.1 SDK (or a 2.0 SDK that's close enough to 2.1 that replacing eiface.h and enginecallback.h are enough to get things working), and
3) They have to find some way to execute cvs commands if the only CVS that the user has is an ooey-GUI-rich-and-chewy version of CVS.
tmanchat2000
17-04-01, 06:58am
Couldn't you not give out the script, but the files needed in a zip file or just email them to me. The script just goes and get them right? so you can just tell me where to go find them. Or if you have the admin_mm.dll without the godmode and noclip message send it to me, because i know how to do it i just need all the files and a compiler i know how to use to do it.
Oh, please, the info is all in the script. If you need a DLL with the messages removed just go and figure it out, will you? This is pathetic, really, it ain't that hard.
Originally posted by tmanchat2000
Couldn't you not give out the script, but the files needed in a zip file or just email them to me.
No, I can't. It is not my place to be distributing admin mod files. Sure, I'm willing to distribute my own scripts that work in conjunction with admin mod (like the checkout script) but not their files.
The script just goes and get them right? so you can just tell me where to go find them.
Look, dude. I have told you where to get the files. Just go read the script that I posted. All the information is in there.
Or if you have the admin_mm.dll without the godmode and noclip message send it to me, because i know how to do it i just need all the files and a compiler i know how to use to do it.
Arrrrgh! I've said multiple times in this board and others that I have no capability to do windows compiles. There is absolutely no possible way for me to send you an admin_mm.dll. That's a dll. That's a windows compile. I can't do windows compiles. Get it?
Now, if you want to run down to your local software store and buy a full copy of Watcom's C++ compiler and mail that to me, then we can talk. But until then, I cannot compile diddly squat under windows.
Comprende?
Do de do...
(deletes 12 emails from tmanchat in mailbox)
Do de do...
(Makes final reply stating that this is the final reply, no other replies will be sent)
Do de do...
(Deletes mail that continues to come in)
That's impressive there, jag. When I, an unheard of nobody, sent you an email asking for your special dll and script back before 2.50 came out, you sent me back a nice tidy reply with all the information I needed.
And now you're deleting tmanchat's mails unread.
That just goes to show that it actually is possible to get under jag's skin.
Unread? I've read them all. I even sent seven replies back to him.
The difference was, you had a clue. Each of his messages I've gotten is basically the same, and each of my replies is more or less the same. Jaguars do not care for repetition, and the fact that I continued to get mail after saying I'd respond no more is satisfactory proof for me that my messages weren't getting read.
If he can't figure out how to read a textfile, I doubt he can figure out his compiler, even if someone does send him the source.
tmanchat2000
17-04-01, 11:04am
can someone just help me with cvs.exe i fun it and to the things it say in the script, i type; at the dos prompt
CVS export pserver:anonymous@cvs.halflifeadmin.sourceforge.ne t:/cvsroot/halflifeadmin
and comes back and says:
cvs.exe export: No CVSROOT specified! Please use the '-d' option
CVS.EXE [export aborted]: or set the CVSROOT environment variable.
what do i do i didn't come with any help files
Originally posted by tmanchat2000
i didn't come with any help files
Mark Brown might have a thing or two to say about this.
tmanchat2000
17-04-01, 11:23am
What i mean't was it doesn't have any help file that are not built into the program. I says if i type cvs -H then the command it will tell me other info about the command. But it scrolls down so fast i can't see. I tried using the /p command like dir /p so it will view each frame or something like that but it didn't work. The script file that sinster made it say
CVSROOT=":pserver:anonymous@cvs.halflifeadmin.sourceforge.n et:/cvsroot/halflifeadmin"
export CVSROOT
$cvs checkout admin_muck
$cvs update -r 1.1.1.1 admin_muck/amxdll/.cvsignore
$cvs update -r 1.1.1.1 admin_muck/amxdll/AMX32.DEF
$cvs update -r 1.1 admin_muck/amxdll/AMXDLL.ICO
$cvs update -r 1.1.1.1 admin_muck/amxdll/AMXDLL.RC
to i type
cvs export :pserver:anonymous@cvs.halflifeadmin.sourceforge.n et:/cvsroot/halflifeadmin
and it says
cvs.exe export: No CVSROOT specified! Please use the '-d' option
CVS.EXE [export aborted]: or set the CVSROOT environment variable.
and i don't know how to use -d because i can't find it in the help 'program'.
Originally posted by Jaguar
Mark Brown might have a thing or two to say about this.
ROTFLAMO
NOOOOOO!!!!! NOT HERE!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
:D
Anyone else notice the server IP in his signature? I have to wonder if its intentionally a joke or not. :)
tmanchat2000
17-04-01, 11:40am
Originally posted by kilorat
Anyone else notice the server IP in his signature? I have to wonder if its intentionally a joke or not. :)
what do you mean? I specify my ip.
Originally posted by tmanchat2000
what do you mean? I specify my ip.
Ummmm..... Oh, never mind. *sigh*
tmanchat2000
17-04-01, 11:49am
Is anyone going to help me or not because i keep tring the cvs and it is not working.
Originally posted by tmanchat2000
CVSROOT=":pserver:anonymous@cvs.halflifeadmin.sourceforge.n et:/cvsroot/halflifeadmin"
export CVSROOT
the first two lines there are the way that you set environment variables in bourne shell. First you set a variable ("fu=bar") then you export it ("export fu").
To set an environment variable in DOS, you use
set CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@cvs.halflifeadmin.sourc eforge.net:/cvsroot/halflifeadmin
Or, as the error message says:
cvs.exe export: No CVSROOT specified! Please use the '-d' option
CVS.EXE [export aborted]: or set the CVSROOT environment variable.
You should use the -d option:
cvs.exe -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.halflifeadmin.sourceforge.n et:/cvsroot/halflifeadmin <some command or another>
Originally posted by kilorat
Anyone else notice the server IP in his signature? I have to wonder if its intentionally a joke or not. :)
OMG...I can't believe I didn't notice that.
Hm. Judging my some of the messages on the HLDS_linux mailing list (and even worse: the HLDS mailing list), it's apparent that a large number of server admins haven't the faintest clue about reserved IP classes. At this point I would completely fail to experience surprise if it was revealed that tmanchat was among their ranks.
tmanchat2000
17-04-01, 12:30pm
I really don't know anything about reserved slots because I can't get it to work correctly. I followed the format in the ips.ini file and the server still got full and would not let me in, and i put in my own ip/submask address.
tmanchat2000
17-04-01, 12:38pm
sinster i did what you said in dos about the set command, but what do i do after that. I tried this:
cvs export CVSROOT
and it said
CVS.EXE [exported aborted]: must specify tag or date
what do i do here?
tmanchat2000
17-04-01, 12:41pm
forgot to add the picture.
The command that you want isn't export. The only reason export was there was because Bourne shell needs that to set an environment variable.
What you need to do is use the commands in the script. That long series of checkouts and updates.
tmanchat2000
17-04-01, 01:06pm
Ok now it says
CVS.exe [checkout aborted]: could not find out home directory
when i type in
cvs checkout admin_muck
Originally posted by kilorat
Anyone else notice the server IP in his signature? I have to wonder if its intentionally a joke or not. :)
His mail address tells me that it is not a joke. But that is just us malicious Linux freaks, so don't ask.
tman, did you try to get that manual I told you about? It's really worth reading.
I wonder how long it takes sinster to realize _why_ the sources are only available via CVS.
Originally posted by Da Rope
I wonder how long it takes sinster to realize _why_ the sources are only available via CVS.
Hey, I worked tech support for 3 years in the Bad Old Days. This guy is a bloody genius compared to most of the people I had to deal with on a daily basis.
I'm sure you've seen those joke lists wandering around with incredibly stupid tech support calls. Well, here's the bit of news that'll shake your world: it's not a joke list, it's real.
Originally posted by sinster
I'm sure you've seen those joke lists wandering around with incredibly stupid tech support calls. Well, here's the bit of news that'll shake your world: it's not a joke list, it's real. Man, that's for sure. I coudl have written some of those from my days as a tech support geek. Back in the day...
Originally posted by sinster
Hey, I worked tech support for 3 years in the Bad Old Days. This guy is a bloody genius compared to most of the people I had to deal with on a daily basis.
Doesn't answer it, does it?
Hooray to tech support.
http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/00apr/uf001758.gif
.. from folks with half a brain and the ability to actually use the script, I could use WinBatch to reproduce the Linux shell script that Sinister has so kindly given us. (Yes, I have the WinBatch compiler. Yes, it supports ftp/http. No, it's still not as powerful as a Linux box.)
However, I think that anyone who's capable of reading English can see what he does in that script. Scripts are not so complex; read through it.
As a side note I've already become disgusted with the posts here. I hadn't used CVS before today but picked up WinCVS 1.20 and had the directories downloaded; I figured out that admin_muck had the latest source by looking at modification dates and times (6 hours on a few files. Go Jag. =)). Blah, blah, blah. Gah.
Trystan
Originally posted by Trystan
As a side note I've already become disgusted with the posts here. I hadn't used CVS before today but picked up WinCVS 1.20 and had the directories downloaded; I figured out that admin_muck had the latest source by looking at modification dates and times (6 hours on a few files. Go Jag. =)). Blah, blah, blah. Gah.
Hold up. I see some sort of pork product fluttering outside of my window...
I think I was just insulted, but I don't know how or why.
Oh well.
Trystan
Bud-froggy
30-04-01, 06:19pm
No that was just Jag being it-self
[Frog feels he has accomplished something in a forum in which everything is unknown to him]
[strolls out]
[Jag sees bud-froggy on the way out and makes a snack of him]
And Jag Trystans actually trying to fix his own problem so give the guy some credit, i may not be able to help him with his problems but you certainly can.
Bud-froggy
30-04-01, 10:36pm
[frog points to Wraith, and comments to Jag on how he (Wraith,) would be a little bit more of a chalenging "snack"]
[Jag mauls Wraith,]
Originally posted by Wraith,
And Jag Trystans actually trying to fix his own problem so give the guy some credit, i may not be able to help him with his problems but you certainly can.
Aroo? My, my, did I forget to use Wilson13 humor again?
Ok, add this on to my other post: :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
I was just making a joke about the rarity with which new people can actually figure stuff out on their own. No insult. Yeesh.
Bud-froggy
01-05-01, 01:27am
and where is wilson?
i ahvent seen him around for a while...
[sees piece of volleyball stuck between Jag's teeth...]
[Jag walks away innocently]
Ok Jag sorry :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
I suppose i'ts just my guilt at shoutng at newbies that got to me and i was being overly helpful, it is refreshing to have someone turn up and figure it out though. I have alleviated my guilt however i helped a 13 year old set up his users.ini. You see if a small child can understand it whats wrong with all thse other people?
Bud-froggy
01-05-01, 02:02am
are you saying that we are emotionally unstable?
are you??
ARE YOU???
::SOB::
My apologies too. I associated pork with spam. ;)
Plus last night I had a really, really, really, really, really bad night. Hehe. One of those days that make you glad you wake up in the morning and you're still breathing.
*checks pulse*
Yep, still beating. Barely.
Herm.. question of the day. Is SPAM (the actual meat) chicken, pork, or ..?
Damn, just thought of something. Is SPAM a meat at all?
Trystan
I though spam was horse, perhaps not.
Well, the _real_ answer is that spam is pork, because spam is 'spiced ham'.
But the answer I'm going to give is that spam....is PEOPLE!
Hmmm...let's all go on a tour of the Hormel factory....
Bud-froggy
01-05-01, 09:33am
...thats how it all starts...
then someone tries to pull a practical joke and someone else gets pushed into the grinder...
i vote for yensid to get pushed first...:D
I don't know. Frog-SPAM sounds pretty good to me..
Trystan
Hes been here only days and already he's got the hang of the banter, cvs and frog baiting.:D
*puts fly on hook*
Frog-baiting? Is that what it's called?
*throws line*
FYI: I'm assembling a few things the others here may find useful as a place to point people. First is a nightly download of the source from the cvs repository and the placement of that source into a zip file. Second is a step by step tutorial (including pictures! =P) of how to use WinCVS to get your own source (in case you don't trust mine).
I hope to have them done by the end of this week. Sorry about the timeframe but.. heh.. as the other folks here have said, we all have jobs. =)
Trystan
Originally posted by Trystan
First is a nightly download of the source from the cvs repository and the placement of that source into a zip file.
*sigh* Reinventing the wheel again? SourceForge already provides tarballs on a daily basis.
I don't want a tarball i want a zip.
Same thing, you lazy bum, just use WinZip, it can handle them.
The word tarball inflicts fear into some folks. ;)
I'm doing it the way I'm doing it primarily for me. It's come to my attention that there's all kinds of things I'd like to add to AdminMOD for me in regards to my favorite mod, Firearms. The nightly download is so I primarily stay up to date; the archive that I place the files into is a zip primarily because I'm a Win32 user and pkzip rules. The placing the archive on a website for others is a bonus effect. I am reinventing the wheel, and my wheels will probably end up like Firestone's, but what the hell.. =)
Also *grin* I can't *puts on flame retardant suit* find *puts on helmet* the tarballs with source code. *watches flamethrower turn on* *winces*
I looked in the Files section, and I'm fairly certain it's something I either don't know about or am just going right over. Are the tarballs provided by cvs or by Sourceforge? (By that I mean is there a cvs command to execute that will transfer the tarball or is it a Sourceforge feature and the tarballs are listed somewhere on the site?) Gah, you guys say they're there, I'll go find them..
Trystan
Hey, absolutely nothing wrong with reinventing the wheel. It's his time. Good way to learn. =P
Tarballs are trickier than zips because you have to decompress then de-tar them requiring messing about iwth temporary files. It's only one extra step but i'm awkward.
Originally posted by Wraith,
but i'm awkward.
Yes. Yes you are.
Bud-froggy
04-05-01, 12:09pm
Originally posted by Wraith,
Hes been here only days and already he's got the hang of the banter, cvs and frog baiting.:D
::sniffle::
no one loves me
Bud-froggy
04-05-01, 12:14pm
interim post (you're right Rope, it does remvoe previous quotes...but only for quotes)
Bud-froggy
04-05-01, 12:16pm
Originally posted by Da Rope
*sigh* Reinventing the wheel again? SourceForge already provides tarballs on a daily basis.
yeah...and where would that be?
(please)
Oh come on, Bud, go look for it yourself. I don't know it from top off my head so I would have to go and search, too.
About the quotes, I'm right, huh? Yeah, I think the board eats up your first posting if you quote twice in a row.
copy paste and use quote tags then i never use the quiote button myself, mainly becaus eother people tend not to spell things the way i like then so i rewrite:D
Bud-froggy
05-05-01, 05:53am
why do that when you can be lazy and just press "quote" ?
PissedOffMonkey
08-05-01, 08:26am
Originally posted by kilorat
Anyone else notice the server IP in his signature? I have to wonder if its intentionally a joke or not. :)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I absolutely LOVE THAT! How did I miss this post when it started?!? This goes in the "Insane Quote of the Week" section!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Bud-froggy
08-05-01, 08:49am
his answer was pretty damn funny also :D
Bud-froggy
08-05-01, 06:32pm
Originally posted by Da Rope
Oh come on, Bud, go look for it yourself. I don't know it from top off my head so I would have to go and search, too.
well,i _have_ searched...and i didnt find it...do i downlaoded the files one by one...into the right directory (i think)...
now, can someone explain the empty MSVC workspace files?
the project files are empty because they were created with developer studio or something...
TWO CLICKS. It took me two clicks, Frog, to find the info on how to retrieve the tarballs.
http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=764&group_id=1
I still recommend using CVS because the files in the tarballs will be in Linux format. Is WinZip intelligent enough to convert them to DOS format? I doubt it.
I got to the files eventually but i had to go thruogh the entire listing, and it's corrupt! it's supposed to be 1.5 meg it downloads 4.5 then ballons to 7 meg, obviously it won't open at all. I think i'll stick to trying that CVS method you posted later on though, perhaps that will work.
Bud-froggy
10-05-01, 02:48am
Originally posted by Da Rope
TWO CLICKS. It took me two clicks, Frog, to find the info on how to retrieve the tarballs.
http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=764&group_id=1
the documentation...would have never thought to look there....:D
and im sticking with wincvs also..if i can get the damn thing to work...
Bud check my other post in this forum, differnet thread, there guide is there.
Bud-froggy
10-05-01, 06:04am
i managd from Rope's explanation, thx..
sometimes i am amazed at my stuypidity :)
anyway, i got it, and im currently learning the underlying aspects of AM...
so far its very interesting :D
I was looking at the typesay code before, not too hard to understand but i've not got the 2.1 sdk installed laet alone teh metamod stuff so i'm not going to tinker, plus i have two lever arch files to learn. Not fun.
It's absolutely, positively amazing what one can learn, just by listening to, err reading, you guys chat.
Originally posted by JViz
It's absolutely, positively amazing what one can learn, just by listening to, err reading, you guys chat.
That Diet Dr. Pepper really does taste more like regular Dr. Pepper?
Bud-froggy
10-05-01, 01:53pm
Originally posted by Jaguar
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by JViz
It's absolutely, positively amazing what one can learn, just by listening to, err reading, you guys chat.
That Diet Dr. Pepper really does taste more like regular Dr. Pepper?
um, you lost me there
Originally posted by Jaguar
That Diet Dr. Pepper really does taste more like regular Dr. Pepper?
Ugh! Ick! Uck! That diet Dr. Pepper crap is swill! It's terrible! Tastes more like cattle piss with a touch of whale sperm thrown in for tanginess. It does not belong anywhere near that most sacred of drinks, Dr. Pepper.
Bud-froggy
10-05-01, 02:07pm
Originally posted by sinster
Ugh! Ick! Uck! That diet Dr. Pepper crap is swill! It's terrible! Tastes more like cattle piss with a touch of whale sperm thrown in for tanginess.
i dont even want to know how or why you can distinguish these...
Eh, I never liked Dr. Pepper anyways. =)
So what is wrong with whale sprem? Makes a fabulous sauce that goes well with poultry.
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