View Full Version : Possible chance of OGC being illegal
Well, just reading around the forum, and seeing the "darn hackers" forum, I found out that OGC has a "crash server" capability. Relizing that cheats are bad, but not illegal, I noticed that the second someone pushes that "crash server" button, they break the law.
It IS tampering with other peoples property, and if it happens multiple times, would be considered harassment (http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=harassment&r=2). Not only that, but people pay for servers, and if they pay for a server, shutting it down, is taking away from what they pay for.
I would like to know what you guys think on this topic, please post any views you have.
SR71Goku
07-03-02, 12:32pm
Cheating actually is illegal. You should read the "Terms of Agreement" that Valve included with Half-Life. If they wanted to, they could sue anyone that cheats.
This is true Dale, but the question I would like to ask is; Somebody crashes your server and you get his WONid, how do you find out whothis person is and where they live to file a lawsuit against them?
Now, let's say you find this person. How can you prove beyond a reasonable doubt that this person actually committed the crime?
Thats not who you should sue. The people you should sue are OGC.
That is an impossibility, you can't sue say H&K because their gun killed someone for example. The same is applied to this situation.
BUT, when buying a gun, you have to go thru licensing/training. with ogc, you can just go and download it.
SR71Goku
07-03-02, 12:42pm
Dale, I'm afraid Dork is right. They can't be sued for making it. You can only be sued for using it.
Don't get me wrong, this is a very unfortunate thing. If there was something you could do legally, imagine the possibilites...
unless OGC has a message on there site telling people NOT to use it, it wont help them, they CAN Be sued.
unless they do that, its like giving guns away to little unlicesnesed kids.
you cant defend that, they are BREAKING THE LAW
I welcome you to try Dale, but any lawyer you go to is going to laugh at you.
I wont sue, but i can howerver prove it illegal, when was the last time you looked at the constitution?
Lol, the Constituion says nothing about this. I think you might need to ask your history teacher to give you a copy of it.
I've read it multiple times, it doesnt say anything directly, read it a few times. After i do, (instead of sleeping during history) ill tell you how it relates.
Tell me the Amendment you think pertains to this, as I am very curious.
I'm nots rue if any of them do, i plan to check though.
SR71Goku
07-03-02, 02:08pm
Here' something vaguely related...
A. Preamble of the Constitution
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
and here something else...
From the Decleration of Independence
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --
Is that enough?
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue but on upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.You try to get probable cause in a case like this, it's virtually impossible. The only way to pinpoint exactly where this guy is, would be to violate his rights and that would be unadmissable in court.
In reality, our laws do not apply in this situation. Real System, who is one of the creators of OGC, is from Germany and our courts have no jurisdiction there.
SlymShady
08-03-02, 05:56am
well i don't know shlt about law or the constitution at all.. but what about napster... they allowed people to d'load music illegally and they got sued and all they did was connect people to one another.. it was the users doing all the illegal work.. users had the songs and allowed other users to d'load them, most of these type of sites, the users have the files on their computers and allow other peeps to dload them directly from one another.. but damn Napster still got sued for just providing the means of the, now illegal, process... sorta seems like the same situation here.. Just a website w/ servers, but all the people d'loading the stuff are doing bad w/ it!
If you can get their IP and in turn find out who their ISP is you can contact the ISP and have them dropped for crashing your server (which IS illegal). Never had to do this myself but i've herd it can be done.
You can go to their web page and look through their forum for this exact subject. The web page admin even warnes them not to crash a server or they may lose their ISP :). Happy hunting.
You're thinking small again, what about those people outside the US? What about provision for these things in Eu UK, German French or other countries law? America is not the world.
If you can prove that someone has crashed your server then you can bactrace their IP and report them to their ISP, the ISP may well terminate their accounts because crashign of server is generally against an ISP's rules and they can get severely smacked by the industry regulators for it if it is prevalent. But then againa few isolated cases on unimporant game servers is hardly likely to cause much fuss and i wouldn't be surprised if you were ignored.
Originally posted by SlymShady
well i don't know shlt about law or the constitution at all.. but what about napster... they allowed people to d'load music illegally and they got sued and all they did was connect people to one another.. it was the users doing all the illegal work.. users had the songs and allowed other users to d'load them, most of these type of sites, the users have the files on their computers and allow other peeps to dload them directly from one another.. but damn Napster still got sued for just providing the means of the, now illegal, process... sorta seems like the same situation here.. Just a website w/ servers, but all the people d'loading the stuff are doing bad w/ it!
With the Napster case, the courts found that Napster was a service provided for the sole purpose of facilitating a crime. That crime being obtaining copies of songs where permission was not granted by the artist, which violates copyright law.
As for using OGC, no crime is committed unless the user crashes your server. OGC's sole purpse is not to crash servers and the creators of OGC advise against this, protecting them form harm other's do with their software. If you could hold the creators of OGC liable for this, you would then be able to hold the Admin Mod team liable for any server admin that uses the exec_client function to change your configs. I'm sure that we all agree that would be very detrimental to the HL and all of it's mods communities.
Also, as both Wraith and I have stated before: US law does not apply beyond our borders, making the effort all for not. Knowing this, it is an absolute waste of time and effort to try and sue the creators of OGC.
SlymShady
08-03-02, 10:07am
i think we should stop this thread, it's gay... who wants to get political.. i just like playing TFC,, don't want hackers on ur server... play more and have more admins, ban them all......
SR71Goku
08-03-02, 11:39am
How about we continue this thread while you go away.
Also, has it been officially stated that downloading copyrighted music is illegal? It's like copying cassette tapes or jay-walking. Why do the recording studios, etc have to be so anal about it? Plus, we buy the CD's, therefore we should be able to do whatever we want with them. Its like the battle between open source and lisensing.
Originally posted by Dork
With the Napster case, the courts found that Napster was a service provided for the sole purpose of facilitating a crime.
The same is with OGC, they are giving people what shouldnt be givin, taking away money (As napster was with the music industry).
I believe the preamble does have significance to this, but for the people not in this country it doesnt matter, one thing is that, they give americans illegal things, therefore its illegal importing. They would have to put a ban on any servers from US or any countrys that have laws pertaining to this issue.
PS. lets try to stay on topic here. we can use refrrence, but lets not change the whole subject..
Dale to be honest you're talking drivel, either start making actual sense with real facts or be quiet.
Leon The Pro
08-03-02, 01:00pm
About mailing the persons ISP, some ISPs dont take this as a serious thing, they want to make money dont they? Wraith, is right. Anything like that wont apply to someone outside the united states.
Yes, but inside the US, it might be illegal.
Again in that case Dale, you would need to be able to prove that a specific person on that computer was the one that committed the crime, which is near impossible to do. Not to mention, that is just small potatoes compared to the problem at hand. So long as the creators of OGC are able to write the software and make it available, your server is always at risk.
but it shouldnt be that way, it might have to, but thats what i'm here to find out.
If any one has info on this, please post.
Thats how it is, s<font></font>h<font></font>i<font></font>t happens.
You can't do anythign that 20 more intelligent people in the community haven't already thouight of and dismissed. The only htiing i can actually think of is valve finding nad prosecuting the makers for breach of EULA, so highly unlikely it only ever going to happen about the same time as you've rewritten Admin to remove all the problems and GWB becomes world scrabble champion.
Originally posted by Wraith,
The only htiing i can actually think of is valve finding nad prosecuting the makers for breach of EULA
.... why doesnt anyone ask valve to do that? because they loose half of there custumers due to cheaters.
The liklihood of putting together a convincing case against one or many as yet unknown individuals and prosecuting them on a law designed to prevent corperate level offenses is very very poor. It is not worth the legal costs that a precedent setting case would require and as you well know valve are in this to make money, not to fight cheats.
There is also the fact atht a case of this nature opens one of those proverbial cans of worms. At what point woudl it stop? you'd get actions again individuals who break EULA's all over the place merely because they can be prosecuted sucessfully rather than any real sense of justice. You would force these industries out of america into more liberal and freedom oriented countries and damage your own economy in the process.
Anything to say Dale?
vasily pupkin (one of the original makers of the client dll hook) also said something that made sense, the main reason the value is so slow in releasing anti cheat stuff (and also a big reason why their anticheat stuff doesnt work) is cos they dont want to fully stop cheaters. what they want, is for cheating to still occur, so then people's wonID's gets banned from servers, so they have to go out and buy a new copy of the game (and therefore a new wonID). this way they continue to get a steady income cos this very old (in terms of comp games) game is still getting bought.
its a sad world we live in.
This is true Dale, but the question I would like to ask is; Somebody crashes your server and you get his WONid, how do you find out whothis person is and where they live to file a lawsuit against them?
Well, let me try to thread this. It's 10 .am. and my brain is not yet working right cause my son is teething and I was up all night. I do have a point here so try to see it.
Why don't we try to take this back to the source? People go out and buy a retail version of CS. There is a CD key and a new WONID with each new CD. CS 1.4 is supposed ot have a one week ban for anyone cauight cheating for a first offense, and a permanent ban for anyone caught cheating on the second offense. In all these discussions I haven't seen anyone mention anything about WON.
If you really wanted to trace a WONID back to the source of the person who is actually cheating and not by IP, it could be done, IF WON required that every retail version bought or every MOD version downloaded had to be fully registered with Name, Address, etc etc etc. beofre game play could commence.
WON isn't just for valve, or HL....
WON is used in a variety of different on-line gaming sources. I have to log into WON to play Sierra's online casino (which is quite fun actually). I hope my point got thru. I'm writing this with a very confused head trying to pick out the right words to use to make my point clear.
So if someone went out and the retail or downloaded a new MOD version, The name, address etc etc etc would be logged with the IP, and if the person was caught cheating and recieved the permananet ban, they wouldn't be able to simply purchase a new retail version or download a new MOD version, because the banned IP would come up and block it.
With the name and address being registered, and someone crashed your server (being it an un-important game server or not as someone had stated) which is Illegal no matter how you cut it, you could then take the legal action of suing without violating their rights.
But would you really wanna take it tat far? The server was crashed. Yes it sucks, but in 30 seconds its back up and you are playing again.
DAMMIT!!!!!! YOU MADE THINK THIS EARLY IN THE MORNING!!!!! HOW DARE YOU! :D
LOL Jarnuts, I know how you feel. I have been taking care of my niece (I think my family is trying to hint to me to finally get married and have kids, lol) who just started teething and don't get any sleep. Anyhow, back to what you said.So if someone went out and the retail or downloaded a new MOD version, The name, address etc etc etc would be logged with the IP, and if the person was caught cheating and recieved the permananet ban, they wouldn't be able to simply purchase a new retail version or download a new MOD version, because the banned IP would come up and block it.So if someone went out and the retail or downloaded a new MOD version, The name, address etc etc etc would be logged with the IP, and if the person was caught cheating and recieved the permananet ban, they wouldn't be able to simply purchase a new retail version or download a new MOD version, because the banned IP would come up and block it.[/quote] Great idea, but unfortunately Valve will ont go for it. Like it was mentioned earlier, Valve wouldn't go for this because of the money they will lose. As if us Americans aren't already viewed as capitalist pigs, who's greed knows no bounds.
thank you for seeing the point i was trying to make thru all that smokey fog i presented :D
..and yeah...they would end up capping out on profit because eventually none would be able to play cause it seems like everyone has to be an ass and cheat and they eventually NOT be able to buy a new game and play.
unless
...they implented FINES...they could implented a 350 dollar FINE for cheating and they would get the 350 for attempting to fringe copyright laws. Now don't quote me on this but it seems as tho OGC is kinda a reinstall of halflife....when OGC is ran its ran as an exe.
I would call that copyright infringement.
Maybe if we suggested that to Valve...we could see some "full registration before gameplay could commence" action and maybe...just maybe...the cheating would STOP ?
Maybe if we suggested that to Valve...we could see some "full registration before gameplay could commence" action and maybe...just maybe...the cheating would STOP ?
I don't care what the reason is, if someone needs to know personal details before they let me play then i'm going to do something else instead. There is no reason for that kind of membership and i'm not giving out my details because i don't want the spam it woudl cause me. Then there are teh privacy issues...
Not a good idea. Implement a secure client/server instead.
*GASP* This thread is still here?
Please kill it, so off topic now.
Originally posted by Freep
*GASP* This thread is still here?
Please kill it, so off topic now.
This isn't offtopic, it's right where it started.
And the secure alient/server is a good idea, kind of like the pure server function in QuakeIII. But, what are the chances that Valve will actually take these kinds of measures to ensure a cheat free game?
the only way i can see a 100% cheatless environment, is if its not a client-server setup, but a node-server setup.
so the client does almot no processing, just recieves everything it needs and nothing more.
ofcource this isnt feasible, as only broadband users with a great connection to the server could use it, and how many servers out there have the upload pipe needed? very few. (if any)
OR!!! an anti-cheat or 1000, on the master servers.
(sorry for being afk so much, i'm redoing my house)
hmm, someone signed me up in the ogc forums.... hmmm.
why not 2sx?
You know since the nwe OGC is now used as a hacking tool to hack passwords, this program is now ILLEGAL to use and a case could be brought up to the creators of OGC. It CAN be done. I spoke with a couple of legal personal who deal with this and they said it is now an ILLEGAL practice and Valve could prosecute, all they have to do is prove who wrote the code and who is distributing it. We can crush bunny and the rest of the OGCers.
Don't know who would do this? I guess anyone who really gets fed up with OGC can push this to court if he/she wants to. I am 100% serious, OGC is an illegal hacking tool with the password sniffer and other cracking functions. This goes way beyond just simply cheating in a game. This is destroying servers owned by individuals on the internet. OGC is now an illegal hacking tool.
If you continue to spout ill informed rubbish i'm just going to lock the thread, or worse, move it to the anticheat forum.
The Admin password is set using the setinfo buffer provided by the game. This buffer caontains other informaiton such as left/right handed ness and menu style and model preferences. Certain portions if not all ( i'm not actually sure) are propogated to all clients and kept in a temporary file on all users computers.
The problem only occurs when someone finds a way to access this file that normally you dont' even know exists. Apparently OGC pullsit out of memory, knowing how it works i can see taht happening. Prviously it was extraced form teh file by a separate program.
As the makers of OGC point out the informaiotn is propogated to all clients and while it's a bit cheeky and annoying that they find it and make it availabe to you they are doing nothing actually wrong in doing so because the information was provided unasked form the sever.
heh, if everything you guys are sayin is truthfully illegal then go to...
http://www.ifccfbi.gov and report to them what myg0t is doing and what laws they're breaking..
this may actually go somewhere, *shrug* :cool:
Originally posted by gerbs
this may actually go somewhere, *shrug* :cool:
:D i'd be one proud father :D.
but! we need to gather all the information on it, so we have an exelent complaint.
yea, heh.. we cant just show them the website
like i said-
we'd have to say every little reason why and how it violates each certain law.
if we dont show our reasons obviously, they may take it as a "joke"- and i dont mean a "haha" joke, i mean "just a stupid childish thing that would never happen"... if that made any sense... heh
anyway, get writing my friends =)
Originally posted by gerbs
heh, if everything you guys are sayin is truthfully illegal then go to...
http://www.ifccfbi.gov and report to them what myg0t is doing and what laws they're breaking..
this may actually go somewhere, *shrug* :cool:
Myg0t does not use any methods that are illegal, they just simply annoy you. The only thing you may get them for is hosting cheats on their sites, but let's not forget the internet privacy act that was signed by Bill Clinton not too long ago.
jbstew32
12-03-02, 04:13pm
When ppl used to crash my server with the glow thing a long time ago, i would run a whois on their IP address. That would give me their ISP. Then I would email several contacts within that ISP a record of their disturbance along with a time/date stamp of when it happened and on what address the person connected with, so that they would be able to trace it.
Threaten a lawsuit. People have had accounts closed because of this.
That is about all you can do, this was said earlier. Unless things change dramatically in the world, we won't be able to actually file lawsuits against cheaters. Not to mention if things did change more towards this, what would be the cost? Your privacy perhaps?
Talon_Karrde989
12-03-02, 04:45pm
Think about this guys.The hackers cost the server a few dollars.Sueing them will cost around a thousand.Why spend that kind of money?
Originally posted by Talon_Karrde989
Think about this guys.The hackers cost the server a few dollars.Sueing them will cost around a thousand.Why spend that kind of money?
well, when all the money gets add up its more than a couple dollars, and people that are hosted, have to pay for anti-cheats.
Talon_Karrde989
12-03-02, 05:03pm
its still not gonna be worth the money for sueing them.The server is down for a while,then it comes back up.They get cheated out of a couple dollars worth.Sueing em is gonna cost alot.
SR71Goku
12-03-02, 05:05pm
That's why I say we burn them as heretics! >=] muahahahahaha!
JJkiller(CS)
12-03-02, 05:32pm
Ok i don't want to read the whole thing, but can someone explain how cheating is illegal and i think dale is right you can have the person charged, with the hacking laws that go with what they did, if you want to prove it, just log what happens on your server, i mean it is kinda hard to fake making a log, and just try to find them again.
if someone can make a web site with the hacker won ids on it, and then everyone can ban them from there server, or maybe make a plugin, so when one of them join, it gets there ip, and then you just trace it and you got your hacker, if the stuff is on the computer, guess who is facing changes
JJkiller(CS)
12-03-02, 05:38pm
ok i also read up about sueing them how much it would cost, you might be able to get a lot of money out of some hackers, and anyway, just get them a jail sentence and at least your server stays up
oh and this crashing the server thing, does it flood the server, if so why not just go over to the plugin page and get un antiflood plugin
I think you need to read the first page of this thread, then you will see that crashing the server is a crime. You will also see that you most likely would not be able to sue anybody who does this. First, the person who crashes your server probably doesn't live in the U.S., so our laws do not apply to them.
Second, if this person does happen to live in the U.S. having their IP address is not enough to file a case. You need to prove that a specific person was using the computer at the time of the crime, which is nearly impossible to do.
Third, let's say that you did successfully file a case and won. Chances are the offender is a minor and legally would have committed their first offense. The courts would show great leniancy towards the offender and sentence a "slap on the wrist", no jail time and probation, which really isn't worth the time and effort to pursue.
BTW, there is a list of "known cheaters", it is called the blacklist. Server admins from around the world are welome to send their banlists to be added to the blacklist, which is available for download.
THiNKFiRE
14-11-02, 09:25am
Originally posted by SlymShady
well i don't know shlt about law or the constitution at all.. but what about napster... they allowed people to d'load music illegally and they got sued and all they did was connect people to one another.. it was the users doing all the illegal work.. users had the songs and allowed other users to d'load them, most of these type of sites, the users have the files on their computers and allow other peeps to dload them directly from one another.. but damn Napster still got sued for just providing the means of the, now illegal, process... sorta seems like the same situation here.. Just a website w/ servers, but all the people d'loading the stuff are doing bad w/ it!
Well it would be nice to get the entertainment industry involved, they have enough money to get almost ANYONE sued.
THiNKFiRE
14-11-02, 09:26am
P.S.
http://reinaldasoftware.com/sucks.gif
Leon The Pro
14-11-02, 10:09am
lmao, they need to add by smilie!!!!!!!!!! or wart dies.
btw, http://reinaldasoftware.com/sucks.gif
$ton3dOut
14-11-02, 10:25am
LOL yes of course ya know im going too put my two sense in, you should know better then that, Well fawk sueing them bastards, just pull em out into the street and blow their fawkin head off, sounds like a idea dont it? well i would OGC, damn OGC so lame how lame how could you guys make cheats for a game? that is soooooooooooooooooooooo pathatic lets just patish and lets have all CS servers SHUT DOWN!!!!!!!
THiNKFiRE
14-11-02, 10:42am
I wouldn't call it lame that they created OGC. I think they are like me, they see a challenge, and they take it. It's just sad they don't put their skillz to better use where someday they may actually get paid for it.
Leon The Pro
14-11-02, 11:02am
=)
$ton3dOut
14-11-02, 02:22pm
Ahhh i admit defeat, he defeated me i didnt have anything smart too say back, lol sorry i dont have any smart ass comments about what he said, I dont quiet remember hes name im pretty stoned out lol but nice little post you had i wish i had something too fall back on but ya got me, like i said I ADMIT DEFEAT!!!
this is a year and four billion old.
Leon The Pro
15-11-02, 09:04am
Could someone please close this thread, dale made it suck now.
http://reinaldasoftware.com/sucks.gif
THiNKFiRE
15-11-02, 12:23pm
Originally posted by Sir Galahad
Could someone please close this thread, dale made it suck now.
http://reinaldasoftware.com/sucks.gif
rofl! ain't that the truth. :P
http://www.otwclan.com/pictures/wtf.gif
BEST PICTURE EVER!!!! they should make that a real smilie around here... :D
BorisTheSpider
24-11-02, 08:45pm
Okay, I just read this whole thread from front to back and I have some things I want to say:
The point of valve making the game is to make money(duh) valve is not going to sue cheaters or the cheat makers, or any websites that propogate them because cheating is not their problem and sueing takes time, money and lawyers, and secondly, it only makes them more money when people get banned. There is only one solution that would seem logical and thats to ban offenders from the WON servers. If you are a cheater, lets say you go hack some server or whatever, you break the user agreement, and your WONid is banned. You want to come back and play, every time you do, its only costing you more and more money. It's like cheating with that game diablo 2, once the servers actually took the initiative to ban cheaters did anything ever cease. This would take away all cheating within around a month. Besides, currently, it is very rare when you see anybody cheating...all this talk over how cheating is a big deal...cheating WAS a big deal, I haven't seen cheaters in a long time...and if they are out there, the hacks aren't very good anymore thanks to UA. So as long as UA keeps updating HLG and blacklisting the WONids (not ips because somebody on a network at an internet cafe/house/college could cheat and then everybody on that network would be fuc*ed, right?) and requiring the purchase of a new copy of the game, cheating as we know it would cease to be. I hope all of that made sense, its real early in the morning...: ) and o ya, dale, I actually thought u were going to make some sense with that first page there...but you only dissapointed me more...
THiNKFiRE
25-11-02, 02:58am
Originally posted by BorisTheSpider
Okay, I just read this whole thread from front to back and I have some things I want to say:
The point of valve making the game is to make money(duh) valve is not going to sue cheaters or the cheat makers, or any websites that propogate them because cheating is not their problem and sueing takes time, money and lawyers, and secondly, it only makes them more money when people get banned. There is only one solution that would seem logical and thats to ban offenders from the WON servers. If you are a cheater, lets say you go hack some server or whatever, you break the user agreement, and your WONid is banned. You want to come back and play, every time you do, its only costing you more and more money. It's like cheating with that game diablo 2, once the servers actually took the initiative to ban cheaters did anything ever cease. This would take away all cheating within around a month. Besides, currently, it is very rare when you see anybody cheating...all this talk over how cheating is a big deal...cheating WAS a big deal, I haven't seen cheaters in a long time...and if they are out there, the hacks aren't very good anymore thanks to UA. So as long as UA keeps updating HLG and blacklisting the WONids (not ips because somebody on a network at an internet cafe/house/college could cheat and then everybody on that network would be fuc*ed, right?) and requiring the purchase of a new copy of the game, cheating as we know it would cease to be. I hope all of that made sense, its real early in the morning...: ) and o ya, dale, I actually thought u were going to make some sense with that first page there...but you only dissapointed me more...
:roofle VALVe would kick your ass is they saw this.
You really think that VALVe is sitting back to make more money!? If they were they wouldn't be wasting their time and money on VAC(Which isn't a waste of time or money). Yes cheating is still a big thing, try getting your own server and taking screenshots. My server probably catches about 3 or cheaters a day (at least).
Catches about 3 or 4 cheaters each on Friday and Satturday night alone.
THiNKFiRE
25-11-02, 03:02am
Plus not to mention cheating gives them a bad rep. I know a lot of people who's only defense to another game being better is because "Counter-Strike has a big problem with cheating, if it wasn't such a problem I would play again, but its no fun anymore."
Also, if you look, somewhere on csnation it stated that CS 1.5 acually has more cheaters than 1.3 did. It's just that more and more servers are switching to secure mode and those cheaters don't get a chance to play.
try getting your own server and taking screenshots. My server probably catches about 3 or cheaters a day (at least).
Sounds good. How would I set this up for my server?
THiNKFiRE
09-12-02, 08:15am
Originally posted by Maleger
try getting your own server and taking screenshots. My server probably catches about 3 or cheaters a day (at least).
Sounds good. How would I set this up for my server?
install HLGuard and make sure your server is secure.
La_Mentirosa
12-12-02, 05:25am
THe only thing i have to say about this whole thread is that hackers are hackers and that's what they do. you outsmart them at first, but what is the guarantee that things will end there? More smarter hackers come up by the minute and no matter what you do, always think that there is this person out there who is way smarter than you are. AND THAT IS HOW HACKERS THINK.
Coming up with the most secure server is a painstaking process and it's still a work in progress. as long as these smarter people keep producing smarter ideas, i think there will be no end to hacking.
We also have our own server and honestly, the best way to deal with them is to just piss the hell out of them by constantly kicking them... banning will do no good, they will always find a way to get back in...
ChineseElite
12-12-02, 12:13pm
They are not 'Hackers'. They are cheaters.
Script kiddies.
But anyway, like Dork brought up (I think) it would cost $1000's of dollars to sue for a couple dollars downtime. Dal said 'well when you add it up...' yes, for ever $2 you lost because of server downtime, you also lose $2000 for every courtcase. Nice deal?
THiNKFiRE
12-12-02, 12:39pm
you can recoup your costs if you win a court case, that is added into the sum when you sue someone.
ChineseElite
13-12-02, 12:09am
But seriusly, what are you going to get out of a 17 year old C++ programmer, or a 11 year old cheater?
THiNKFiRE
13-12-02, 02:19am
an example can be made.
SouthernC
17-12-02, 08:18am
HOW ABOUT WHO ****ING CARES JESUS CHRIST
If your goddamn Server gets crashed Its your own ****ing fault Its called security And if theres a hack theres a fix Always something can be done to be protected So if your server Crashed you shouldnt even be Running one So OMG STFU With this blander Christ this is about as bad As a Newbie Convention on the ABc's
THiNKFiRE
17-12-02, 10:26am
lmao this not about server crashes, obviously he does not know what we are talking about here.
Also, I honestly hope you are not that naive.
you may want to tone down a bit, I was going to delete your post but then I thought it would be more punishment letting everyone see it, so you can hear all the comments about it.
THiNKFiRE
17-12-02, 12:18pm
and from reading your other posts, well, tought luck I am not helping you out, as you seem to know it all already anyways. good luck.
Dark-One
17-12-02, 12:27pm
Originally posted by SouthernC
HOW ABOUT WHO ****ING CARES JESUS CHRIST
If your goddamn Server gets crashed Its your own ****ing fault Its called security And if theres a hack theres a fix Always something can be done to be protected So if your server Crashed you shouldnt even be Running one So OMG STFU With this blander Christ this is about as bad As a Newbie Convention on the ABc's
How enlightening, shows what a great 3rd grade education can get you. Now after you wrench the foot out of your mouth why dont you try bringing something useful to the conversation than "OMG STFU", if you didnt care, you wouldnt have read the thread, so who's the true dumbass here?
And you say Newbie? You must be about as big as they come talking like that. Anyone who owns a server knows its the same game companys play. We make better Detection/Prevention, they make better Cheats/Hacks. Its very hard to keep up with it. I say someone drop a virus into OGC and teach them all a leason.
THiNKFiRE
17-12-02, 12:32pm
<img src="http://www.otwclan.com/pictures/owned.gif">
forgot the "s
PS I believe some versions of OGC in fact DID contain a trojan.
They were released by other people and were not actually OGC. Quite clever really seeing as most cheats have not got two braincells to rub together.....
THiNKFiRE
17-12-02, 01:41pm
Originally posted by Caveman
They were released by other people and were not actually OGC. Quite clever really seeing as most cheats have not got two braincells to rub together.....
Yeah that's what I read, it wasn't the actual OGC makers that released the infected versions but some other individuals who were smart enough to know that cheaters are dumb enough not figure it out. The funniest part of it was, people were asking about norton popping up and on support boards they just said "oh it knows your using a cheat, it's ok"
rofl, I suppose I would have said the same thing as I have no sympathy for cheaters either.
THiNKFiRE
18-12-02, 04:14am
Just thought I would share the piece of unintelligent conversation that SouthernC is TRYING to hold with me via email.
You are gay And i figured out the problem **** stick And your right i
wouldnt know about OGC Cause i dont cheat like you ****s And i didnt
read the whole thing Cause it was retarded Politics If i wanted to listen
to Yuppie Sum bitch about Stupid **** Ide watch CNN
So I fart in your general direction and blow my nose on you Your
mother was a hampster and your father smelled Of Elderberry's now go away
before i taunt you a seconda tima
Just wanted to say thank you for taking your time to email me, I feel important now.
Dark-One
18-12-02, 03:47pm
who was that?
THiNKFiRE
19-12-02, 03:05am
Originally posted by Dark-One
who was that?
That SouthernC guy with the 3rd grade education.
Dark-One
19-12-02, 04:41am
oh i see
vBulletin v3.5.4, Copyright ©2000-2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.